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    Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration)

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    Email is the first link in a chain of attacks, and with the rise of remote work, the use of cloud mailboxes and collaboration apps increased exponentially. Check Point Email Security provides organizations with complete, full-suite protection that is constantly adapting and evolving to the ever-changing threat landscape, while providing security admins with an easy-to-deploy and manage platform, making your security offerings easy and efficient.
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    Check Point Email Security offers complete, defense-in-depth security for Microsoft 365 and G-Suite, and extends to the full collaboration environment, including file sharing and chat, as well as Slack and Microsoft Teams. Scan every inbound, outbound and internal em ail. Prevent phishing and malware from spreading within your organization or to your customers and partners. Check every file for malicious content using the most advanced sandboxing and active-content analysis in the industry. Quarantine threats before your users download them Identify confidential information and apply context-aware policies that confine the data to a particular organization or work group. Your users can leverage the full power of collaboration tools, while automated work flows enforce regulatory compliance, ensuring PCI, HIPAA, PII, or other protected content does not leak. Check Point Email Security ensures seamless security. Deploy instantly with the only one click, cloud-enabled platform, with no need for a proxy, appliance or endpoint agent.

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    • Complete Protection: Secure all lines of communication, from email to collaboration
    • Bulletproof Security: We catch the most sophisticated and evasive attacks that others miss
    • Efficient, Effective: A single, effective and cost-efficient solution for email and collaboration suites

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    Harmony Email and Collaboration Complete
    Harmony Email+Collab-Complete: Secure O365 Suite(Email,OneDrive,Teams) and GSuite (Gmail,GDrive), Dropbox, Slack (and more) w/ Antiphish, Antimalware, URL Protect+Rewrite+Emulation,BEC Protect,Anomalies,ShadowIT,Sandbox,ThreatExtraction,DLP,Encryption, 1user
    $109.14
    Harmony Email and Collaboration Advanced
    Harmony Email+Collab-Advanced: Secure O365 Suite (Email, OneDrive, Teams) and GSuite (Gmail, GDrive), Dropbox, Slack (and more) w/ Antiphishing, Antimalware, URL Protect+Rewrite+Emulation,BEC protection,Anomalies,Shadow IT,Sandboxing,Threat Extraction, 1 user
    $83.46
    Email Archiving
    Email Archiving- A license to archive emails up to 10 years old for all licensed users, 1 user. Add-on on top of HEC Advanced / HEC Complete
    $51.36
    IRaaS
    Incident Response as a Service (IRaaS) - Management and remediation of end-user quarantine release requests and phishing reports by a Check Point analyst, 1 user. Add-on on top of HEC Advanced / HEC Complete
    $15.00
    DMARC Management
    DMARC Management - Quick and safe transition to and maintenance of strict DMARC record, 1 user. Add-on on top of HEC Advanced / HEC Complete
    $10.70

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    MartinOliver

    Email protection has prevented phishing losses and now keeps remote workflows secure

    Reviewed on Jul 13, 2026
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    What is our primary use case?

    Our main use case for Check Point Email Security  (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is to flag any ransomware or malware that may come through our emails. It's our preferred platform for email cloud security, and we primarily use it to protect our data and our organization. It helps us scan every attachment, URLs, and anything that can be malicious and bring damage to our organization. We use it to scan and ensure malicious content is trapped and detected before the emails are opened. It's our platform for cloud email security.

    I can give a specific example of how Check Point Email Security  (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) really helped our team. There was a time when our internal customer service team received queries through emails, and most of them came attached with details or screenshots of what the client wanted resolved. Suspicious emails were being sent to us that were routed as if they were client inquiries. However, with Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) in place, it was able to flag down various emails that contained malicious links or attachments that were disguised to harm our data. It helped us detect and correct the anomaly on time.

    What is most valuable?

    A number of features stand out with Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration). One of them is that it's a cloud-based solution. Being a cloud-based solution means you can use it anywhere, even when you're working remotely. You're assured of continuous scanning and continuous protection, which ensures that all our data and everything we keep securely remains secure. It's a platform that keeps our workflow secure and helps us keep our working environment secure. By doing thorough scans, we are assured of our safety and can thus concentrate on the core matters that matter to us. It also assures us of safety in the data that we are handling.

    Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is a platform that prevents data loss and assures security of everything that we hold confidentially. With the rise in cyber crimes, you cannot rest assured. You always prepare for the worst. However, with Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) in place, you're able to be safe and feel assured that there will be no data loss and the security of our documents and information will remain secured.

    The remote access and on-point protection of Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) has affected our workflow and productivity in a positive manner. With it in place, we are able to concentrate. Our employees are able to feel confident in our abilities to prevent any threat or any phishing attack. When you don't have that platform in place, you rely on your security team and IT security team to do that process manually. When it's being done manually, sometimes they can miss something. When they miss something, it will come back to impact our organization. Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) has improved our workflow and productivity.

    Pricing is not much of a concern with Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration). The vendor gives you all the information required upfront. The setup cost and licensing depend on the resources that you have expended in acquiring the platform. Overall, I found the whole process to be open and transparent, without any hidden costs. The whole process experience was positive for us.

    We have seen many benefits from Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) and it has brought a positive impact to our organization. One positive impact is the savings in terms of cost that arise in case of a phishing attack or ransomware release into our system. When those attacks happen, they bring huge losses in terms of money and data loss. To clean up, you need to invest in more secure systems, which puts a huge dent on our cost of doing business. However, with Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) in place, we are able to avoid all that, save money, and save time. This has brought newfound confidence both in our customers and in our employees, where they feel safe and assured that whatever they are sharing with us is in safe hands. Thus, we are able to handle more business.

    What needs improvement?

    One area where Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) can be improved is on the learning curve. New employees take quite some time in getting used to the platform and how it periodically does its scans. You have to undertake training and orientation and give them time for them to be adept and cautious in using it.

    On the technical aspects of Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration), I can address the pricing because we find that the platform is quite pricey, especially the premium versions. To be assured of proper usage and proper safety, they need to invest more. This may lock out small businesses or individual users who find the price to be high. This is another area that affects the acquisition of the platform, especially by small-scale users.

    For how long have I used the solution?

    I have been using Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) for four years.

    What do I think about the stability of the solution?

    Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is stable. As long as it's properly hosted on cloud and you don't have any problems with internet connection, the platform is stable and will provide secure services continuously.

    What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

    The scalability of Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is favorable and open depending on users and the budget that you have set. The scalability is perfect and favorable to all users.

    Regarding scalability, Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is a platform that you can scale up very easily when using it. The vendor is willing to help all their users in becoming adept and learning how to use the platform efficiently.

    How are customer service and support?

    Customer support for Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is accurate. They are easy to reach in case you have any problems in setting up or using the platform after the acquisition. They are willing to help their clients and they keep their customer needs in check and are able to assist them.

    Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

    This is our first solution for email security. We did not have another solution before Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration).

    How was the initial setup?

    We use AWS Marketplace  for our private cloud regarding Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration).

    We purchased Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) separately. We bought Check Point from the vendor and AWS Marketplace  from the provider. We purchased them separately.

    What was our ROI?

    We have seen a return on investment with Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration). A perfect metric that I can give is on the employees needed in our IT and cybersecurity department. Previously, we deployed many workforce across multiple departments so that they do the scanning manually and keep a look at our systems manually. However, with the platform in place, you reduce that number significantly and you deploy the rest of the workforce in doing other gainful tasks. The fewer employees needed also translates to time and money savings. We have seen our return on our investment.

    Which other solutions did I evaluate?

    We did not evaluate other options before choosing Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration).

    What other advice do I have?

    The advice that I would give to others looking into using Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is that it's a modern solution for modern businesses and it will help you solve all the problems that arise from any phishing attack or ransomware sent through emails. It will enhance your email security, and this will translate to security for your data and organizations. You'll be able to avoid any losses and prevent attacks even before they happen. This will help you serve your customers well and keep your work environment secure and safe. I would rate this solution an 8 out of 10.

    Which deployment model are you using for this solution?

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    surajku32

    Email protection has eliminated spam and compromised accounts and now keeps our M365 data secure

    Reviewed on Jul 07, 2026
    Review provided by PeerSpot

    What is our primary use case?

    I have been using Check Point Email Security  (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) for the last two years.

    My main use case for Check Point Email Security  (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is to protect my emails and M365 accounts.

    I am using Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) to secure my M365 account exclusively.

    What is most valuable?

    The best feature Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) offers is that it automatically blocks suspicious accounts.

    That is the main highlight for me regarding the features of Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration).

    Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) has positively impacted my organization by making us stress-free. If any account is compromised, it will automatically block it, and we will not receive any spam emails or anything, which will be very helpful.

    We did not receive any unsecured email, which is very beneficial for us, so we cannot get any malware or viruses in our organization.

    What needs improvement?

    Currently, I do not have any improvements to suggest for Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) because all the things we want are covered.

    For how long have I used the solution?

    I have been working in my current field for the last five years.

    What do I think about the stability of the solution?

    Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is stable.

    What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

    The scalability of Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is good.

    How are customer service and support?

    The customer support for Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is good.

    I would rate the customer support a 10 out of 10.

    Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

    We did not use any other solution. Once we decided to secure our M365 environment, I researched and found that this product is very good and I purchased it.

    What was our ROI?

    I see that Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) will save a lot of time for us.

    What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

    I cannot comment on the pricing, setup cost, and licensing because that is handled by another team, our purchase team.

    Which other solutions did I evaluate?

    I did not evaluate any other options before choosing Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration).

    What other advice do I have?

    Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is currently the very best product. It has all the features we need based on current technology, and I am completely surprised by some of its features, making it a very mature product.

    Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) follows all the governance and security standards, and it is the very best.

    Regarding Check Point Email Security's AI capabilities, all things will be good in terms of accuracy and reliability of output.

    If you want to go with an advanced security solution for your M365 accounts, you can go with Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration). This is very beneficial. You can connect your admin and authorize the app, accessing all your data. Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) will secure all your data, emails, collaboration, and accounts. If any account is compromised or shows unusual behavior, it will detect it and automatically block it. That feature is very good, and you can go through it as it is a very best product.

    I give this product an overall rating of 10 out of 10.

    GeorgeKamau

    Proactive phishing defense has reduced data leaks but outgoing data protection still needs improvement

    Reviewed on Jul 06, 2026
    Review provided by PeerSpot

    What is our primary use case?

    The main use case for Check Point Email Security  (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is phishing protection from anti-malware, account takeover, and data loss prevention.

    A typical phishing scenario is when an attacker sends a BEC style email, a domain look-alike asking finance to urgently process a wire transfer. In terms of DLP  protection, an employee attaches a spreadsheet containing customer ID numbers, card details, and emails either to a personal Gmail account or shares it via a OneDrive link with anyone with the link. Check Point Email Security  (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) DLP  engine scans outbound mail and file sharing events using pattern matching or prebuilt compliance templates.

    What is most valuable?

    The best features that Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) offers include the ThreatCloud AI engine stack, zero-day sandboxing protection, advanced anti-phishing and anti-impersonation, and a clean dashboard.

    Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) has impacted my organization positively since there are no DLP issues or data loss. It prevents data loss and manages phishing protection effectively by using analytics to deep dive into specific threat categories. The anti-phishing and impersonation features catch subtle impersonation attempts and suspicious-looking links before users can see them, not just obvious spam.

    I have seen a reduction in phishing incidents and data leaks since every document is scanned before it goes out or comes in. In terms of phishing, the protection is proactive because it catches impersonation attempts and suspicious-looking links before users get to see them, so it has reduced the number of phishing incidents in my organization.

    What needs improvement?

    In terms of DLP, there is limited functionality on outgoing DLP specifically. The interface can feel clunky, and the notification settings tend to be noisy until fine-tuned. These are areas that could be improved.

    For how long have I used the solution?

    I have been using Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) for the past five years specifically in my organization.

    What do I think about the stability of the solution?

    There are no stability issues at the moment regarding my main use case or how I use Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration).

    What other advice do I have?

    Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) has made my life easier in terms of email security, and it covers all the items that I have discussed. I would rate Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) a seven out of ten.

    Harish (Kumar)

    Email security has blocked sophisticated phishing and now protects inboxes with AI detection

    Reviewed on Jun 30, 2026
    Review provided by PeerSpot

    What is our primary use case?

    The major use case for Check Point Email Security  (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) was Business Email Compromise, CEO fraud, and vendor impersonation. Phishing attacks were also a major issue, as sophisticated phishing attacks are occurring nowadays. This solution is not a traditional solution but rather an API-based deployment, which made it easy to deploy without disruption of any email flow. When we deployed it, it was completed within a day, and within a few minutes of that process.

    What is most valuable?

    One valuable feature is the easy deployment because of the API-based deployment structure. The most important feature is that it can scan emails already in the user email box and automatically removes malicious emails. If in my organization 100 plus users received a phishing email, it automatically detects and removes it from their email boxes. Another pro is the excellent phishing detection system. Business Email Compromise protection is another advantage that I already mentioned. The integration is very strong with Google Workspace , as it works with Gmail, Google Drive , Google Chat, and Google Calendar. Unlike other solutions that only inspect SMTP traffic, this product can work with all Google solutions, including Google Drive  and Chat.

    Automatic remediation is available in this product. Incident investigation can be performed by viewing the attack timeline, identifying affected users, analyzing sender reputation, and inspecting URLs. We can search for Indicators of Compromise, malicious IP addresses, domain URLs, and other threats. Integration with our SIEM  solution is very easy, as it can create tickets automatically and trigger playbooks with our Wazuh  SIEM .

    Naturally, because it is an AI-powered detection system, standard email gateways cannot find malware as easily. It can detect phishing emails, even those that do not contain known malware. It detects language, analyzes writing style, and identifies social engineering attacks because of the AI features.

    This capability was helpful to us. We can see the reputation of domains, especially in our business development department, as they receive many phishing emails. We can see sender reputation, sender domain reputation, and spam history from those senders. It is easy to find look-alike domains and cousin domains, and we can easily detect those attacks. URL reputation analysis is also available. Overall, Check Point Email Security  (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is very easy to deploy, but there is a learning curve for my IT administrators. This is not unique to this product, as every product has a learning curve. Policies must be deployed, and detection settings must be configured. The Check Point vendor helped us deploy all of these elements by explaining the best optimized settings, how to use incident investigations, and how to create reports and reporting dashboards.

    What needs improvement?

    The only challenge with Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is that it is an API-based solution. In an API-based solution, the major challenge is that it can read email content and Google Drive content. This presents a data privacy challenge, and we had to mitigate it by signing a Data Processing Agreement and other agreements. Because it is not a traditional in-line solution, Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) connects with Google Workspace  using API permission and can access email, attachments, sender, recipient information, links, and all metadata is with Check Point. Data storage and everything else is with Check Point, which is the challenge.

    This solution has a drawback because of API deployment, while other solutions are traditional secure email gateways that are in-line solutions. In those solutions, we need to change the MX record, but with this solution we do not need to change the MX record, which is a pro of API-based deployment. However, there is also a con in that with API solutions, the email is scanned but after delivery in the mailbox.

    For how long have I used the solution?

    We have been using this solution for more than one year.

    What do I think about the stability of the solution?

    The product is stable with no glitches. When the product is deployed, it works perfectly, so I would rate it nine out of ten.

    What do I think about the scalability of the solution?

    The scalability is very good. If I want to scale this product to 2,000 users or 5,000 users, it can scale within no time, so that is not an issue.

    How are customer service and support?

    The balanced rating for customer service is eight.

    Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

    For AWS , we are not using any email security solution. We are using Bitdefender and currently have more than 1,100 licenses. In the firewall, we are using pfSense by Netgate. We use different solutions for different purposes. For SIEM, we are using Wazuh . For backup, we are using Acronis. For storage, we are using Synology NAS .

    How was the initial setup?

    In most cases, phishing emails are identified and removed within seconds. If we were getting 100 phishing emails before deploying Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration), after deployment that number was reduced to 15. This represents 85 percent efficiency.

    What was our ROI?

    This solution cannot generate business. It is a safeguard or guardrail for our email solution. It is expensive, without doubt. However, if we compare it with other solutions such as Proofpoint, Mimecast, or Cisco, those are more expensive. Barracuda is less expensive, but Proofpoint is the enterprise leader and is more expensive than Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration).

    What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

    We are not currently using this product. Six months back, we removed that product due to a few issues. The major issue is naturally the budget, as it is expensive. Our organization is expanding and we now have more than 1,200 email IDs, which is significant. We are trying to change the methodology for our email security system because some of our domains are now on Microsoft 365 and some on Google Workspace. Earlier, we were using Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) only with Google Workspace.

    Which other solutions did I evaluate?

    We took a proof of concept for Barracuda as an alternative solution.

    What other advice do I have?

    The data privacy challenge is significant because Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is not a traditional in-line solution. It connects with Google Workspace using API permission and can access email, attachments, sender, recipient information, links, and all metadata is with Check Point. Data storage and everything else is with Check Point, which is the challenge. The overall review rating for this product is eight out of ten.

    ErezZelikovitz

    Cloud security package has simplified deployment and now supports efficient incident response

    Reviewed on Jun 25, 2026
    Review provided by PeerSpot

    What is our primary use case?

    I work with a cloud deployment model and we are using their SaaS solution.

    The deployment itself is quite seamless; you can use their temporary licenses for the deployment, just for testing. If I remember correctly, it's a three-month free of charge license, then you have to purchase the license from one of their distributors, which is quite an easy process. Basically, we are reselling the solution of Check Point.

    The time spent on the deployment process isn't just about Check Point Email Security  (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration); it's part of a full stack of capabilities including a firewall, anti-spam, anti-bot, IDS, and IPS. The installation itself on a virtual machine takes less than an hour, and it's quite easy.

    What is most valuable?

    Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) is part of a package we are using, Check Point CloudGuard , which includes several blades, and each blade can do a different security job.

    The time spent on the deployment process isn't just about Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration); it's part of a full stack of capabilities including a firewall, anti-spam, anti-bot, IDS, and IPS.

    One of our customers operated the automated incident response feature.

    We use real-time URL reputation analysis through URL filtering, which is one of the blades.

    What needs improvement?

    I can tell you that their management system, SmartConsole, is quite heavy and very slow, and the performance is a little bit weak.

    The management system is very old, not a modern one. It's not intuitive or easy to operate. My customer success team studied it through self-study, and it was not an easy process. The user interface and the support we have to give to our customers in that regard present some difficulties, especially if you want to migrate security policies from one machine to another. It works well, but operationally, it's quite heavy.

    For how long have I used the solution?

    I have been working with Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration) for about three years.

    How are customer service and support?

    They have TAC that can help, and you can open a case for assistance. We are in Israel, so they have Hebrew speakers, which makes it quite easy, and we received good support.

    I would rate the support of Check Point at eight.

    Which solution did I use previously and why did I switch?

    In the past, I have worked with Fortinet but less with Palo Alto. With Fortinet, my involvement included both security and developing an SD-WAN SASE  solution, as we deployed Check Point in the cloud, which was the solution provided to our customers.

    What's my experience with pricing, setup cost, and licensing?

    The licensing costs for Check Point, including Check Point Email Security (formerly Harmony Email & Collaboration), are based on the bandwidth you consume, with a price for the gateway processing the data and another for the management system. The gateway price is a subscription based on an annual rate per installed machine or VM, and licenses can be bought based on the number of CPUs based on the data you are willing to process.

    The licensing model is flexible, and it requires a good design to be cost-effective.

    From analysis, I know that Check Point's pricing is middle-ground compared to Fortinet and Palo Alto; Fortinet tends to be more expensive. I have encountered up to 80% discounts sometimes, so pricing can be very variable, but on average, Check Point is in the middle.

    What other advice do I have?

    I have not used the AI-powered threat intelligence feature for blocking email threats; I know they are working on integrating AI capabilities into the system, and I believe they will introduce it in the next versions, but that is not something I have experienced.

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